First of all, let me explain a few things :
were i got kicked for making a room for admin, i was number 6 on our side, had 13-14 kills, and was sniping. That is the most retarded way to make room for an admin ive ever seen, but enough about that.
We developed our own administrative tool, which includes a "make a room" button. This function is automatically targeting the most idling players (even with a high score). So either you left your desktop to get a drink or something else and stayed more idle then any other player, or the server was totally full with active players and the administrative tool chose you.
But anyhow, ganja was kicked for baserap and not for making a room :
[2010-10-20 02:11:14] Info: rcon: cmd kick 39 "DO NOT BASE RAPE"
[2010-10-20 02:11:19] Info: Kicked '=FU= ganj420' => 'DO NOT BASE RAPE'
but to be honest, without asset rule, you will get a complete chaos like we witnessed yesterday. and that is actually kinda retarded, why not just make a vanilla server? cause this goes completly against the whole idea of the game. if u guys want to fck around, fine, but then lock your server please.
With assets organisation you get different big issues. I invite you to visit some famous servers with those strict asset rules, to see what a mess it also can be. Watching and playing a game for one or more hours, while a few guys are incapable to support the team with assets, all because they were the first to create a squad, is for us the most stupid and unfair system ever.
Now our rule, makes it possible to every player that shows the good will to wait, to get the waited-for asset. Usually bad players, new players, or unfair players, don't have the patience to wait.
As for the "useless" waiting, it also avoids for the players to loose our useful tickets for useless reasons like boredom.
This system sure requires a lot of administration, which we are able to provide with our many admins. It only gets harder when the clock reaches late times, and when our admins go to bed. Anyway there is always one or two admins remaining, when the server is visited by players. This is what we call democracy. It always has gaps where bad things can happen, but at least it puts every good-spirited player on the same level.
But before all, an admin is also a player, who can be exhausted, drunk or simply having fun on the server. Sometimes chat messages don't get catch. You can add the difference of language and the understanding of it.
Shortly, the admin is not a slave to the players pleasures.
After taking some time to explain this to you, I would like you to understand, that the HeroS clan is the owner of PR servers since more then 4 years. We pay for this server and have the right to free places for our clan mates and allies, as you have the right to join us and to enjoy some rounds on our servers. Now let me remind you that your clan also has the advantage of being able to switch freely.
As to the language spoken on our server, french and english remain the main languages used. In contrary to most servers, people are free to use their own language between each other, except from team to team.
Now thank you for your advices, but your clan, as other clans or players, have had wonderful games on our servers.
There is 4 years of gaming, wars, and good relations, that tell us that our server might not be perfect, but reaches a certain high standard of game- and teamplay, which most of the players enjoy.
NOW TO THIS GAMING SITUATION PROBLEM :
I've been reading the logs of the server as the explanation of everyone here. Pedro might not be a rockstar in English, but I am.
About the chopper situation, after checking the logs, it seems you didn't steal the chopper. One of you has been doing transport while the others was waiting. It's actually ok to be helpful. But if there was an asset rule, an other player might have wanted to do transport for the whole game. You criticize our rule of non-asset squads, but know how to use the advantage of it, when you want.
By the way, I've been told that you both took a transport chopper and a HAT and placed yourself in the mittle of the map.
This is not what we consider as "waiting for an asset". But as this is a thing that can't be prooved, we'll only take the use of a transport chopper.
Now from the logs, the Teamkillers were kicked and banned like needed. Spiked Ghost didn't teamkill anyone, in contrary to both of you :
[2010/10/20 02:58:52] teamkill =FU= ViPPaH mec_tnk_t72_Barrel CPT-STEE1
[2010/10/20 02:58:52] teamkill =FU= ViPPaH mec_tnk_t72_Barrel RUS Spiked_Ghost
[2010/10/20 02:59:09] chat =FU= ViPPaH HUD_TEXT_CHAT_TEAMwtf sry u didnt show on map
Well, at least you said sorry. As it might have been a real error, we'll pass this one.
[2010/10/20 03:25:51] chat RUS Spiked_Ghost HUD_TEXT_CHAT_TEAMDUDE< JUST LAND THE CHOPPER OR GET BANNED
[2010/10/20 03:25:56] teamkill =FU= ganj420 mec_ahe_havoc_S8Launcher sEX_YU Strela2M-YU
[2010/10/20 03:25:56] teamkill =FU= ganj420 mec_ahe_havoc_S8Launcher RUS Spiked_Ghost
[2010/10/20 03:25:56] teamkill =FU= ganj420 mec_ahe_havoc_S8Launcher HeroS Pedrobob
[2010/10/20 03:26:09] chat =FU= ganj420 HUD_TEXT_CHAT_TEAMHUD_CHAT_DEADPREFIX sorry
This happened at the end, after VIPPAH got kicked. No need to say that it is all deliberate tk.
Now, I can see that you asked sorry for this behaviour on this thread, but I hardly see some sincerity, when I see the tone used in-game and on this thread.
BTW ganja, you teamkilled an admin voluntary, which on most server results in a life ban, or even more.
As for RUS Spiked Ghost, he might have played the tricky one, but came into Pedro's squad to explain himself quietly and also said, he would be ready to give up the helis.
But MOST OF ALL, he stayed polite, not like both of you :
[2010/10/20 02:34:24] chat =FU= ViPPaH HUD_TEXT_CHAT_TEAMkwhy soo fcking many in our main? u wanna play or be afk?
[2010/10/20 02:36:38] chat =FU= ViPPaH HUD_TEXT_CHAT_TEAMIT AINT THAT FCKING HARD
[2010/10/20 02:36:51] chat =FU= ViPPaH HUD_TEXT_CHAT_TEAMJUST TAKE ANY FCKING VEHICLE AND PLAY LOL
[2010/10/20 02:40:02] chat =FU= ganj420 what the fck are u talkin about
[2010/10/20 03:06:59] chat =FU= ganj420 HUD_TEXT_CHAT_TEAMu guys fcked up to much
[2010/10/20 03:07:16] chat =FU= ViPPaH HUD_TEXT_CHAT_TEAMu flew last havoc and crashed it so fck off
[2010/10/20 03:19:33] chat =FU= ganj420 HUD_TEXT_CHAT_TEAMso elpedro, if i camp the helipad now, are u sayin were not gettin it if someone else capps me and jumps in?
[2010/10/20 03:23:07] chat =FU= ganj420 HUD_TEXT_CHAT_TEAM instead of standing around like a couple of faggots
I can also see that ViPPaH expressed his opinion about russian people. Just very constructive :
[2010/10/20 03:10:49] chat =FU= ViPPaH HUD_TEXT_CHAT_TEAM he is russian
[2010/10/20 03:10:51] chat =FU= ViPPaH HUD_TEXT_CHAT_TEAM u know he is lying
As for ganja, who is not only insulting and playing with the admin, we all can see what he thinks about french people :
[2010/10/20 02:41:07] chat =FU= ganj420 i dont know what u are talking about or why its relevant to kicking fckin tk'er froggy
[2010/10/20 03:27:19] chat =FU= ganj420 HUD_TEXT_CHAT_TEAMHUD_CHAT_DEADPREFIX elpedro el frogeater u actually made me speech less
AND THAT'S ONLY A PART OF THE LOGS......
In the end, Seb and my judgment wil be based on those arguments :
- You had a good will in the beginning.
- You didn't steal the chopper.
- You didn't both wait for it.
- Ganja did some baserap on the map before.
- You teamkilled more then all the people you accused of tk, even if it doesn't seem voluntary for ViPPaH.
- You got directly unpolite and always used dirty language.
- You insinuated russian people are all lyars, which is pretty xenophobic.
- You clearly played with the admin's nerves & failed to show respect by giving him nicknames and insinuating his choices were due to his nationality.
- You spammed the chat for almost an hour.
- You came to this forum accusing blindly, barely admitting your own errors and bad behaviour in-game, as using an aggressive language and tone.
Following the strict violation of our rules, You clearly broke the following rules :
- Teamkill (specially ganja)
- Clean language (All the numerous fck and other expressions which could have been avoided)
- Respect towards the admin (The admin isn't a slave or a prostitute you play with.)
- Respect towards the other players ( specially that comment about russians)
That's with excepting the asset rule and the fact that you didn't wait both for the chopper.
Let's be very clear about Pedrobob. He might suck in English, and might have not understand everything of the situation, but you should be happy, he was the one there.
Because from my point of view, as for many admins I talked to tonight, with that silly language, you should have been kicked or round-banned after 5 minutes, as for all the people involved in this mess.
Pedrobob was enough kind to stop his game, to switch and to check the situation by himself.
Which you also thanked him for on the chat.
An admin is a player that gives some time to offer a clean game to other players. HeroS members are between 18 and 55 years old & have families, women, girlfriends or friends. HeroS admins are not machines that answer to any of your complaints.
You could have been coming here with a peaceful and mature behaviour.
Instead of thinking a little about what happened, of reconsidering your behaviour & of considering the job of an admin facing 4 fighting and arguing players, you came on our forum with all the anger you still had from this game, and the only thing you showed was :
- Empty and lightly ridiculous threats.
- Unthoughtful accusations about Pedrobob.
- Unwanted and simple-minded judgements about our rules and our server.
I personally understand your frustration, but it doesn't explain the lack of respect and behaviour you've shown here and in-game.
For all the different arguments cited above, you'll both remain banned for one week.
It means until the 28/10/2010 around 12h gmt+1
In fact, the respect and good relations with your clan and our different allies, make us remind, that it would be too harsh to judge both of you on one single event. A second event and behaviour like that, would not a have such a comprehensive response.
That's also why I won't go on your forum, to discuss the different ways you've been mocking and misresptecting admins and players. Specially the "frog" or russian thing, which doesn't help at all in the good judgement of a situation.
I just hope that next time you get upset in-game, you won't reach directly for insults and bad language and that you'll wait a little to rethink the way you come here to adress to the admins.
God damn it, be a little more comprehensive.
PS: If you still consider it to be unfair or can not manage that anger you've shown here, we won't stop you to go on realitymod.com. I'll ask you three things then :
- Just be aware that we've shown our comprehensive side in this decision, including the fact that you are FU members.
- Be aware that Devs are less then comprehensive, with complaining players making them loose their time.
- Please share this with all your members of your clan, as I think it might be a collective decision. ( I wouldn't mind to share the logs with you